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 <td><a href="https://www.ledger-cli.org">Ledger</a></td>
 <td>2003</td>
-<td style="text-align: center;">2020-05</td>
+<td style="text-align: center;">2021-05</td>
 <td><a href="https://github.com/ledger/ledger">C++</a></td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">162</td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">3.4k</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">176</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">3.9k</td>
 <td><a href="http://list.ledger-cli.org/">ledger</a> 920</td>
 <td><a href="https://web.libera.chat/#ledger">irc</a> 60</td>
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 <td><a href="https://hledger.org">hledger</a></td>
 <td>2007</td>
-<td style="text-align: center;">2021-14</td>
+<td style="text-align: center;">2021-08</td>
 <td><a href="https://github.com/simonmichael/hledger">haskell</a></td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">131</td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">1.6k</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">128</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">1.8k</td>
 <td><a href="http://mail.hledger.org/">hledger</a> 200</td>
 <td><a href="https://web.libera.chat/#hledger">irc</a> 80, <a href="https://matrix.to/#/#hledger:matrix.org">matrix</a> 40</td>
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 <td>2008</td>
 <td style="text-align: center;">2020-06</td>
 <td><a href="https://github.com/beancount/beancount/">python</a></td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">44</td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">618</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">59</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">975</td>
 <td><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beancount">beancount</a> 380</td>
 <td><a href="https://web.libera.chat/#beancount">irc</a> 20, <a href="https://gitter.im/beancount/fava">fava gitter</a>/<a href="https://gitter.im/beancount/fava">matrix</a> 40</td>
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 <td style="text-align: center;">2019-09</td>
 <td><a href="https://github.com/hrj/abandon">scala</a></td>
 <td style="text-align: right;">11</td>
-<td style="text-align: right;">151</td>
+<td style="text-align: right;">156</td>
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 <td><a href="https://gitter.im/hrj/abandon">gitter</a>/<a href="https://matrix.to/#/#hrj_abandon:gitter.im">matrix</a></td>
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 | Project                   | Start | Last release | Code                              | Committers | Stars | Mail list, ~size                | Chat, ~size                                                                                                   |
 |---------------------------|-------|:------------:|-----------------------------------|-----------:|------:|---------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
-| [Ledger]                  | 2003  | 2020-05      | [C++][ledger-gh]                  |        162 |  3.4k | [ledger][ledger-mail] 920       | [irc][#ledger:libera.chat] 60                                                                                 |
-| [hledger]                 | 2007  | 2021-14      | [haskell][hledger-gh]             |        131 |  1.6k | [hledger][hledger-mail] 200     | [irc][#hledger:libera.chat] 80, [matrix][#hledger:matrix.org] 40                                              |
-| [Beancount]               | 2008  | 2020-06      | [python][beancount-gh]            |         44 |   618 | [beancount][beancount-mail] 380 | [irc][#beancount:libera.chat] 20, [fava gitter][beancount-fava-gitter]/[matrix][#beancount_fava:gitter.im] 40 |
-| Abandon                   | 2013  | 2019-09      | [scala][abandon-gh]               |         11 |   151 |                                 | [gitter][abandon-gitter]/[matrix][#hrj_abandon:gitter.im]                                                     |
+| [Ledger]                  | 2003  | 2021-05      | [C++][ledger-gh]                  |        176 |  3.9k | [ledger][ledger-mail] 920       | [irc][#ledger:libera.chat] 60                                                                                 |
+| [hledger]                 | 2007  | 2021-08      | [haskell][hledger-gh]             |        128 |  1.8k | [hledger][hledger-mail] 200     | [irc][#hledger:libera.chat] 80, [matrix][#hledger:matrix.org] 40                                              |
+| [Beancount]               | 2008  | 2020-06      | [python][beancount-gh]            |         59 |   975 | [beancount][beancount-mail] 380 | [irc][#beancount:libera.chat] 20, [fava gitter][beancount-fava-gitter]/[matrix][#beancount_fava:gitter.im] 40 |
+| Abandon                   | 2013  | 2019-09      | [scala][abandon-gh]               |         11 |   156 |                                 | [gitter][abandon-gitter]/[matrix][#hrj_abandon:gitter.im]                                                     |
 | Transity                  | 2018  | 2019-05      | [purescript][transity-gh]         |          7 |   472 |                                 | [gitter][transity-gitter]/[matrix][#feramhq_transity:gitter.im]                                               |
 | Ledger in Go              | 2013  | 2019-11      | [go][ledger-in-go-gh]             |          6 |   221 |                                 |                                                                                                               |
 | cl-ledger                 | 2007  |              | [common lisp][cl-ledger-gh]       |          4 |    66 |                                 |                                                                                                               |