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 <td align="left"><a href="http://ledger-cli.org">Ledger</a> <br>2003</td>
 <td align="right"><a href="https://github.com/ledger/ledger">C++</a> 101 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/ledger)) --></td>
-<td align="left"><a href="http://list.ledger-cli.org/">ledger-cli</a> <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.general)) --> 750</td>
+<td align="left"><a href="http://list.ledger-cli.org/">ledger-cli</a> <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.general)) --> 650</td>
 <td align="right"><a href="http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ledger&amp;randomnick=1">#ledger</a> 70</td>
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 <td align="left"><a href="http://hledger.org">hledger</a> <br>2007</td>
 <td align="right"><a href="http://code.hledger.org">Haskell</a> 30 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/hledger)) --></td>
-<td align="left"><a href="http://list.hledger.org/">hledger</a> <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.hledger)) --> 80</td>
+<td align="left"><a href="http://list.hledger.org/">hledger</a> <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.hledger)) --> 75</td>
 <td align="right"><a href="http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=hledger&amp;randomnick=1">#hledger</a> 25</td>
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 | Project, start&nbsp;date                           | Code, committers                                                                                               | Mail list, size                                                                                                                           | IRC, size
-| [Ledger](http://ledger-cli.org) <br>2003           | [C++](https://github.com/ledger/ledger)          101 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/ledger)) -->    | [ledger-cli](http://list.ledger-cli.org/) <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.general)) -->                  750 | [#ledger](http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ledger&randomnick=1)        70
-| [hledger](http://hledger.org) <br>2007             | [Haskell](http://code.hledger.org)                30 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/hledger)) -->   | [hledger](http://list.hledger.org/) <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.hledger)) -->                         80 | [#hledger](http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=hledger&randomnick=1)      25
+| [Ledger](http://ledger-cli.org) <br>2003           | [C++](https://github.com/ledger/ledger)          101 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/ledger)) -->    | [ledger-cli](http://list.ledger-cli.org/) <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.general)) -->                  650 | [#ledger](http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ledger&randomnick=1)        70
+| [hledger](http://hledger.org) <br>2007             | [Haskell](http://code.hledger.org)                30 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/hledger)) -->   | [hledger](http://list.hledger.org/) <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.ledger.hledger)) -->                         75 | [#hledger](http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=hledger&randomnick=1)      25
 | [Beancount](http://furius.ca/beancount) <br>2008   | [Python](http://bitbucket.org/blais/beancount/)    8 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/beancount)) --> | [beancount](https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/beancount) <!-- ([gmane](http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.finance.beancount)) -->   70 | [#beancount](http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=beancount&randomnick=1)   5
 | Abandon <br>2013                                   | [Scala](https://github.com/hrj/abandon)            5 <!-- ([openhub](https://www.openhub.net/p/abandon)) -->   |                                                                                                                                           |
 | Ledger in Go <br>2013                              | [Go](https://github.com/howeyc/ledger)             2                                                           |                                                                                                                                           |